## Two tales of time: Carlo Rovelli vs. Lee Smolin

Following the New Directions in the Foundations of Physics
conference, two interesting consecutive talks made the case for opposite points
of view and it is best to present them at the same time. On one hand, Carlo
Rovelli made the case for the emergence of space and time and talked about the
possibility of having fundamental physical theories without talking about space
and time at all. On the other hand Lee Smolin made the point for the reality of
time and the possibility of change for the physical laws. Because the problem
of time is very hard and there is no universally accepted solution, this debate
cannot be settled for now.

Let’s start with Carlo Rovelli’s position. From general
quantum gravity considerations, it is not that strange to consider the possibility
that space-time is not continuous. But how can you recover time? There are
intuitive arguments and mathematical rigorous arguments available.

For example we can ask a silly question: “why things fall in
Newtonian physics?” There is no notion of up and down in Newton ’s
equations. The answer is obviously due to the existence of our planet that “up”
and “down” are defined. So this is a

**relational**definition. Another question: what does it mean that entropy increases? We know that entropy increases in time but this can be turned around and used to define time in a**relational**way too:__time is the variable__. Let’s try to make this more precise. Here is the usual picture in physics: from averages in time to thermal phenomena to equilibrium states. If we flip this: start with an equilibrium state, extract the dynamics (the Hamiltonian) and arrive at time. This is the idea of the*in conjunction to*which entropy grows**At this point you may object to this seemingly naïve picture and you will have very good reasons for this. What if the system is not in equilibrium? Does time exist? What if you have only one particle for which the notion of thermodynamics is meaningless? Does time exist? However the**__Thermal Time.__**is not at all naïve and has a very solid mathematical and physical foundation in advanced quantum mechanics theory. This deserves a post of its own and after I will be done presenting the conference talks I will resume the mathematical explanations and build the pre-requisites to properly explain and discuss the thermal time hypothesis.***thermal time hypothesis*
Now for the opposite point of view, that of reality of time,
Lee Smolin started by presenting some ideas about time:

- Timeless naturalism: related to block universe idea in relativity
- Temporal naturalism: no timeless objects, future is not real, past is real
- Barbour’s instantaneous naturalism: only moments exists which are all timeless

Smolin argued for the need to start over in thinking about
time and discussed some fallacies:

- Cosmological fallacy: we look at the universe as a whole from a “bird eye’s view”. There is no such thing as viewing the universe form the outside.
- Naturalism trap: “our senses impressions are illusions, and behind them is a natural world, which really is X”.
- For example X = Tegmark’s mathematical objects which he called a “metaphysical fantasy”

Two paradigms were discussed:

**Newtonian paradigm**(or the usual paradigm in physics. By the way, this includes quantum mechanics and the name is somewhat misleading):- Laws and initial conditions are the key ingredients
- A state space (invariant under time) is constructed.
- The history in time is represented by a timeless mathematical object
- It is fallacious to infer from this that nature is a mathematical object or that is really timeless.
- Falls apart when we apply to universe as a whole
**Temporal naturalism**and the laws of nature paradigm (a proposed paradigm for answering: “why those laws?”)- No timeless laws
- State-laws distinction breaks down
- Time is prior to laws of nature
- Meta-law dilemma: how the laws change?

A solution for the meta-law dilemma was proposed by a “

**principle of precedence in quantum theory**” described in arxiv:1205.3707
Of course temporal naturalism is highly speculative and attempts to win acceptance by making falsifiable predictions with the
hope that the predictions will turn up to be true. For example an older idea by
Smolin was that if our universe is typical then it is likely to be tuned to
maximize the production of black holes. Then

**if**the universe expands and re-collapses, at each bounce the laws of physics mutate slightly. Big if, but maximization of black hole production demands:- Small amounts of carbon and oxygen for star formation dynamics
- Supernovas require tuning weak interactions
- Gravity must be weak.

Are those predictions enough? Not at all, but it is a start.
How promising? Remains to be seen.

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